2008 Ic Bus CE: complaints, problems and recalls

I HAVE A SERIES OF 2008 CONVENTIONAL IC SCHOOL BUSES (21 BUSES) THAT WERE PURCHASED NEW IN JULY 2008. SINCE THE BEG. OF THE SCH. YR, (AUG. 20TH) WE HAVE HAD 5 ENTRANCE (EMERGENCY) DOORS SHEAR OFF AT THE TOP OF THE DOOR AND FALL OUTWARD, BEING HELD SOLELY BY THE BOTTOM PIN. THIS IS A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE. IF THE BOTTOM PIN WERE TO GIVE WAY ALSO...THE DOOR WOULD FALL ON THE CHILDREN THAT ARE LOADING OR UNLOADING. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THESE DOORS ARE DEFECTIVE AND THAT THERE IS NO PLAN TO RECALL. NO ONE KILLED OR INJURED...YET SO THE DEALER SAY…

Owner-reported narrative. Look up ODI 10251155 at NHTSA ↗

WE HAVE HAD 4 2008 MODEL IC 77 CAPACITY SCHOOL BUSES THAT THE ENTRANCE DOOR HAS BROKEN AND FALLEN OFF OF THE BUS. IN ALL 4 CASES THE DOOR FRAME BROKE AT THE UPPER HINGE PIVOT POINT AND ALLOWED THE DOOR TO BECOME DETACHED FROM THE VEHICLE. THE FRACTURES IN THE METAL FRAME LOOK EXTREMELY SIMILAR IN ALL 4 CASES. THEE FIRST INCIDENT WAS IN OCTOBER 2008, THE LATEST INCIDENT WAS LAST WEEK. *TR

Owner-reported narrative. 10,000 miles reported. Look up ODI 10282731 at NHTSA ↗

AS YOU ARE DRIVING DOWN THE HIGHWAY THE MIL LAMP (ENGINE EMISSIONS CONTROL MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP) COMES ON AND THE BUS WILL GO TO IDLE AND YOU CAN NOT ACCELERATE. YOU MUST STOP SHUT THE ENGINE KEY OFF AND RESTART AND THE LIGHT GOES OFF AND THE BUS RUNS FINE UNTIL THE MIL LIGHT COMES ON AGAIN. THIS IS INTERMITTENT. SOME TIMES IT DOESN'T DO IT AT ALL AND SOME TIMES IT WILL COME ON ONE TO FOUR TIMES ON A 15 MILE RUN. *TR

Owner-reported narrative. 81,117 miles reported. Look up ODI 10433900 at NHTSA ↗

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2008 IC CE300 INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL BUS. WHILE TRAVELING 10 MPH, THE VEHICLE SUDDENLY STALLED WITHOUT WARNING. THE VEHICLE WAS DIAGNOSED BY THE CONTACT WHERE HE OBSERVED THAT THE OIL LINE WAS SPLIT, CAUSING HOT ENGINE OIL TO SPRAY ONTO THE ENGINE. THE OIL LINES WERE REPLACED BY THE CONTACT. THE CURRENT AND THE FAILURE MILEAGES WERE 56,690. AN ADDITIONAL FAILURE ON A SISTER BUS (MILEAGE 47261) ON MARCH 28, 2011. I KNOW OF ANOTHER DISTRICT NEARBY THAT HAS HAD THIS PROBLEM ALSO.

Owner-reported narrative. 56,690 miles reported. Look up ODI 10450319 at NHTSA ↗

Reported: 2008-06-05 (June 5, 2008)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING 51,588 HEAVY TRUCKS, COMMERCIAL BUSES AND SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED BETWEEN NOVEMBER 21, 2000 AND MAY 21, 2008, EQUIPPED WITH ONE OR MORE REMOTE POWER MODULES. THE POTTING MATERIAL THAT ENCAPSULATES THE CIRCUIT BOARD OF THE VEHICLE'S REMOTE POWER MODULE MAY NOT SUFFICIENTLY SEAL THE CIRCUIT BOARD FROM WATER AND CONTAMINATION INTRUSION. IF THE ENCAPSULATION IS COMPROMISED, WATER AND CONTAMINANTS MAY CAUSE AN INTERNAL ELECTRICAL SHORT, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A FIRE.

Consequence: A FIRE COULD CAUSE PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPAIR THE VEHICLES FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JULY 10, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-280-461-1890.

Reported: 2008-07-30 (July 30, 2008)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING 24,975 MY 2003 THROUGH 2008 IC BE, CE, HC, AND RE SCHOOL AND COMMERCIAL BUSES AND 2002 THROUGH 2008 INTERNATIONAL 3200 AND 3300 MODEL BUSES MANUFACTURED BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 21, 2001 THROUGH DECEMBER 14, 2007, EQUIPPED WITH INTERNATIONAL VT365 ENGINES. THESE VEHICLES MAY EXHIBIT ENGINE HARD START, NO START, OR STALL CONDITIONS DUE TO POSSIBLY DAMAGED TERMINALS IN THE FUSE HOLDER CONNECTOR OF THE INJECTOR DRIVE MODULE (IDM) CLEAN BATTERY POWER CIRCUITS. THE TERMINALS MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED DURING ELECTRICAL CONTINUITY TESTING IN THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS.

Consequence: THESE CONDITIONS COULD RESULT IN A VEHICLE CRASH, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PERSONAL INJURY.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPLACE THE IDM FUSE HOLDER FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON OCTOBER 3, 2008. OWNERS CAN CONTACT NAVISTAR TOLL-FREE AT 1-800-448-7825.

Reported: 2009-02-10 (February 10, 2009)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING 61,316 MY 2001 THROUGH 2009 IC BE, CE, AND FE MODEL COMMERCIAL AND SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED BETWEEN FEBRUARY 2, 2000 AND JUNE 2, 2008, EQUIPPED WITH AN ENTRANCE DOOR STEPWELL HEATER FEATURE CODE 0048PMS OR 0548001 AND/OR A REAR WALL MOUNTED HEATER FEATURE CODE 0048TAR OR 0048PSX. THE AFFECTED HEATER UNITS MAY FAIL IN LOW SPEED OPERATION CAUSING ELEVATED TEMPERATURES.

Consequence: ELEVATED TEMPERATURES CAN RESULT IN A FIRE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL INJURY, OR DEATH.

Remedy: AN INTERIM LETTER WAS MAILED ON FEBRUARY 20, 2009, TO COMMUNICATE THE DEFECT AND RECOMMEND ACTION TO MITIGATE THE RISK UNTIL THE FINAL REMEDY AND CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION COULD BE PROVIDED AT A LATER DATE. THE MANUFACTURE FILED AN AMENDED DEFECT REPORT DATED MARCH 27, 2009 ADVISING THAT A FINAL REMEDY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND PARTS ARE BEING MANUFACTURED. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON JUNE 2, 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR TOLL-FREE AT 1-800-448-7825.

Reported: 2010-03-16 (March 16, 2010)

NAVISTAR HAS NOTIFIED NHTSA ABOUT A DEFECT IN CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 AND 2011 IC CE, BE, AND FE SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM NOVEMBER 19, 2003 THROUGH FEBRUARY 9, 2010. THE PARKING BRAKE MAY RELEASE IF THE BRAKE SYSTEM ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT SOFTWARE MISINTERPRETS INPUT SIGNALS GENERATED FROM CYCLING THE IGNITION SWITCH MORE THAN ONCE AT A SPECIFIC FREQUENCY.

Consequence: RELEASE OF THE PARKING BRAKE MAY CAUSE SUDDEN, UNEXPECTED SHIFT IN VEHICLE POSITION POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL DAMAGE, OR DEATH.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND WILL REPAIR THE BUSES BY REPROGRAMMING THE VEHICLE'S BRAKE SYSTEM ECU FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 2, 2010. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-260-461-1890.

Reported: 2010-06-15 (June 15, 2010)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2006 THROUGH 2008 IC BE, RE, AND CE SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM DECEMBER 4, 2001 THROUGH DECEMBER 14, 2009 EQUIPPED WITH INTERNATIONAL VT365 ENGINES HAVING ENGINE CALIBRATION PAN2PVR0, PAN2PVR1, OR PAN2PWR. THE ENGINE NORMALLY RESPONDS TO A FAILED OPEN ACCELERATOR POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT FAULT BY RETURNING THE ENGINE TO LOW IDLE SPEED OF 800 RPM AND DISABLING THE DRIVER'S ABILITY TO INCREASE THE ENGINE SPEED. HOWEVER IF THE OPEN CIRCUIT CORRECTS ITSELF WITHIN 30 SECONDS OF INITIATION, ENGINE SPEED COULD SUDDENLY INCREASE TO A HIGH IDLE SPEED OF 1200 RPM.

Consequence: THIS INCREASE TO HIGH IDLE SPEED MAY OCCUR WITHOUT WARNING CAUSING A SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED SHIFT IN VEHICLE POSITION POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL INJURY, OR DEATH.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND DEALERS WILL REPAIR THE VEHICLES FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON JULY 1, 2010. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-800-448-7825..

Reported: 2010-06-15 (June 15, 2010)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2003 THROUGH 2010 INTERNATIONAL TRUCKS AND IC COMMERCIAL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM DECEMBER 4, 2001 THROUGH DECEMBER 14, 2009 EQUIPPED WITH INTERNATIONAL VT365 ENGINES HAVING ENGINE CALIBRATION PAN2PVR0, PAN2PVR1, OR PAN2PWR. THE ENGINE NORMALLY RESPONDS TO A FAILED OPEN ACCELERATOR POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT FAULT BY RETURNING THE ENGINE TO LOW IDLE SPEED OF 800 RPM AND DISABLING THE DRIVER'S ABILITY TO INCREASE THE ENGINE SPEED. HOWEVER IF THE OPEN CIRCUIT CORRECTS ITSELF WITHIN 30 SECONDS OF INITIATION, ENGINE SPEED COULD SUDDENLY INCREASE TO A HIGH IDLE SPEED OF 1200 RPM.

Consequence: THIS INCREASE TO HIGH IDLE SPEED MAY OCCUR WITHOUT WARNING CAUSING A SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED SHIFT IN VEHICLE POSITION POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL INJURY, OR DEATH.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND DEALERS WILL REPAIR THE VEHICLES FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON JULY 1, 2010. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-800-448-7825.

Reported: 2011-07-21 (July 21, 2011)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2008 THROUGH 2012 IC BE, CE, AND FE SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM NOVEMBER 1, 2006, THROUGH MAY 2, 2011. THE REFLECTIVE TAPE FOR THE REAR EXIT DOOR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TOTALLY COMPLETED. ACCORDINGLY, THE BUSES FAIL TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 217, "BUS EMERGENCY EXITS AND WINDOW RETENTION AND RELEASE."

Consequence: THIS NONCOMPLIANCE MAY REDUCE CONSPICUITY OF THE REAR DOOR, REDUCING THE ABILITY OF EMERGENCY PERSONNEL TO IDENTIFY AND GAIN ACCESS TO THE REAR EXIT DURING AN EMERGENCY, POSSIBLY INCREASING THE OCCUPANT'S RISK OF PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH DURING AN EMERGENCY.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE BUSES AND ADD REFLECTIVE TAPE IF NECESSARY. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON AUGUST 3, 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-800-448-7825.

Reported: 2011-08-18 (August 18, 2011)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2007-2012 IC CE AND BE SCHOOL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM JUNE 27, 2006, THROUGH MARCH 23, 2011, EQUIPPED WITH A MAXXFORCE 7 ENGINE FEATURE CODE 12NTH, 12NTD, 12NTE, 12NTG, 12VYY, OR 12627 AND ALTERNATOR FEATURE CODE 0008GGR, 0008GGM, 0008GWX, OR 0008GEL. THE POSITIVE ALTERNATOR CABLE MAY RUB ON THE ENGINE CONTROL MODULE MOUNTING BRACKET, POSSIBLY CHAFING ITS INSULATION AND CAUSING AN ELECTRICAL SHORT.

Consequence: AN ELECTRICAL SHORT MAY CAUSE A VEHICLE FIRE POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL INJURY, OR DEATH.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND REPLACE, IF NECESSARY, THE ALTERNATOR CABLE AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE TIE STRAPS TO ROUTE THE ALTERNATOR CABLE AWAY FROM THE ENGINE CONTROL MODULE MOUNTING BRACKET. REPAIRS WILL BE PERFORMED FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 27, 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-800-448-7825.

Reported: 2011-08-18 (August 18, 2011)

NAVISTAR IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2007-2012 IC CE AND BE COMMERCIAL BUSES MANUFACTURED FROM JUNE 27, 2006, THROUGH MARCH 23, 2011, EQUIPPED WITH A MAXXFORCE 7 ENGINE FEATURE CODE 12NTH, 12NTD, 12NTE, 12NTG, 12VYY, OR 12627 AND ALTERNATOR FEATURE CODE 0008GGR, 0008GGM, 0008GWX, OR 0008GEL. THE POSITIVE ALTERNATOR CABLE MAY RUB ON THE ENGINE CONTROL MODULE MOUNTING BRACKET, POSSIBLY CHAFING ITS INSULATION AND CAUSING AN ELECTRICAL SHORT.

Consequence: AN ELECTRICAL SHORT MAY CAUSE A VEHICLE FIRE POSSIBLY RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, PERSONAL INJURY, OR DEATH.

Remedy: NAVISTAR WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND REPLACE, IF NECESSARY, THE ALTERNATOR CABLE. TIE STRAPS WILL BE INSTALLED TO ROUTE THE ALTERNATOR CABLE AWAY FROM THE ENGINE CONTROL MODULE MOUNTING BRACKET. THESE REPAIRS WILL BE PERFORMED FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 27, 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NAVISTAR AT 1-800-448-7825.

Reported: 2014-11-03 (November 3, 2014)

Navistar, Inc.(Navistar) is recalling certain model year 2007-2015 IC CE transit buses manufactured January 23,2006, to May 12, 2014, 2008, and 2011 IC FE transit buses manufactured October 5, 2006, to September 28, 2009, and 2009-2010, and 2013 IC RE transit buses manufactured September 19, 2007, to November 29, 2011, equipped with certain model S2005, S2010, S5005, S5010, S5505, and S5510 wheelchair lifts manufactured by Ricon Corporation after January 1, 2006. The platform side plate of the affected wheelchair lifts may crack.

Consequence: If the platform side plates crack, the lift platform can separate from the lift and come to rest against the vehicle's lift door. When the doors are opened, the platform may fall out, increasing the risk of injury to the lift operator.

Remedy: Navistar will notify owners to take buses to a Ricon dealer or service center who will install supplemental platform support bumpers. Any platform that has already started cracking will be replaced, free of charge. The interim notices were mailed on December 29, 2014. The recall began on January 29, 2015. Owners may contact Navistar customer service at 1-331-332-1590 or Ricon customer service at 1-800-322-2884. Navistar's number for this recall is 14517.

Reported: 2014-11-03 (November 3, 2014)

Navistar, Inc. (Navistar) is recalling certain model year 2013-2015 IC AE, 2007-2015 IC BE, CE, 2007-2011 IC FE, and 2007-2014 IC RE school buses equipped with certain model S2005, S2010, S5005, S5010, S5505, and S5510 wheelchair lifts manufactured by Ricon Corporation after January 1, 2006. The platform side plate of the affected wheelchair lifts may crack.

Consequence: If the platform side plates crack, the lift platform can separate from the lift and come to rest against the vehicle's lift door. When the doors are opened, the platform may fall out, increasing the risk of injury to the lift operator.

Remedy: Navistar will notify owners to take buses to a Ricon dealer or service center who will install supplemental platform support bumpers. Any platform that has already started cracking will be replaced, free of charge. The recall began on January 29, 2015. Owners may contact Navistar customer service at 1-331-332-1590 or Ricon customer service at 1-800-322-2884. Navistar's number for this recall is 14518.

Reported: 2015-12-22 (December 22, 2015)

Navistar, Inc. is recalling certain model year 2007-2015 IC BE and CE school buses, 2013-2015 IC AE school buses, 2007-2011 IC FE school buses, and 2007-2014 IC RE school buses equipped with certain model S2005, S2010, S5005, S5010, S5505, and S5510 wheelchair lifts by Ricon. The affected lifts are equipped with folding link arms that may have pivot holes that are too big, allowing the bearings to move out of position.

Consequence: If the bearings move out of position, the stowed platform may have excessive movement resulting in failure of the platform mounting. This failure could cause the wheel chair lift platform to fall out of the vehicle when the doors are opened, increasing the risk of injury for the lift operator.

Remedy: Navistar will notify the purchasers of the lifts, and dealers will inspect the link arms for damage or for displaced bearings. The platform will be inspected for cracks. Any damaged parts will be replaced, free of charge. The recall began on February 19, 2016. Owners may contact Navistar customer service at 1-800-448-7825. Note: These buses and wheelchair lifts were subject to a similar recall in 2014. All vehicles that received that recall remedy are still affected by this recall as well.

Reported: 2015-12-23 (December 23, 2015)

Navistar, Inc. is recalling certain model year 2007-2015 IC CE transit buses, 2008-2011 IC FE transit buses and 2009-2013 IC RE transit buses equipped with certain model S2005, S2010, S5005, S5010, S5505, and S5510 wheelchair lifts by Ricon. The affected lifts are equipped with folding link arms that may have pivot holes that are too big, allowing the bearings to move out of position.

Consequence: If the bearings move out of position, the stowed platform may have excessive movement resulting in failure of the platform mounting. This failure could cause the wheel chair lift platform to fall out of the vehicle when the doors are opened, increasing the risk of injury for the lift operator.

Remedy: Navistar will notify the purchasers of the lifts, and dealers will inspect the link arms for damage or for displaced bearings. The platform will be inspected for cracks. Any damaged parts will be replaced, free of charge. The recall began on February 19, 2016. Owners may contact Navistar customer service at 1-800-448-7825. Note: These buses and wheelchair lifts were subject to a similar recall in 2014. All vehicles that received that recall remedy are still affected by this recall as well.